NEVER question the victim (NQTV)

Posted: October 30, 2006 in Uncategorized

Years ago before I was married, a good friend of mine who was married at the time had two beautiful little girls. I remember the occasions when I would find at least one of them crying uncontrollably either at their house or in the lobby at church. Like any good “uncle” I would pick them up and do all I can to make them feel that everything was going to be alright. When I approached their parents with one of these pitiful little girls, in many cases they did not share the same level of concern that I did. In fact, they would just politely ask me to put her down. Come to find out, anytime these little girls would get in trouble they would systematically look for those that would sympathize with their “pain”. Unfortunately, I was one of the highest ranked suckers of that time—that is, until I was married and had my own kids 🙂 .

I bring up this simple story because like my initial response to these kids above, I am seeing way too much sympathy being poured out to the self-proclaimed victims in our society WITHOUT A WILLINGNESS TO KNOW THE FULL STORY! Below, I will outline a few well-know instances of this blind sympathy.

The alleged rape victim at Duke University

The moment allegations came to light that a young Black woman was possibly raped by the mostly White lacrosse team of Duke University, within hours the town of Durham, North Carolina became ground zero for women’s rights, racism and injustice in America. Mainstream media, bloggers, radio and TV commentators were quick to put the little pieces they had together to “convict” these young men of wrongdoing. For many Black Americans at this initial stage, this case served as a reminder to the days of slavery and how Black women were treated by white slave masters. Jesse Jackson caught the first thing smoking to Durham to assure this young lady that she had his support. In fact, he even offered to pay for her college education. For many, this case was a confirmation that our nation was a hairsbreadth away from turning back to the early 1800s. Mind you, all this took place with a vast majority of critics not reading one line of the 2,000+ pages of related case documents. For the critics against these Duke lacrosse players, all they needed was a claim—facts meant NOTHING to them, just a claim.

When fair minded people began to question the accusation of this young woman, they were automatically labeled as racists, Black turncoats, and anti-woman. “How dare you question this young woman after what she has experienced!”, or “If she was white, you wouldn’t be asking all of those questions”, or “How can you defend the rights of these privileged White boys (vernacular that tells you the conversation is headed towards class-ism)? “ became some of the usual lines that were used during that whole ordeal. Little did these folks who have bought into the never question the victim (NQTV) mindset know that months later, Kim Roberts (the other stripper) would admit that most of the rape allegation was false. Another well-under-reported fact by this crowd was that according to a former manager of a strip club were the alleged victim worked acknowledged that TWO WEEKS after the “rape” incident, this victim was back at work—stripping. And finally, just recently Durham prosecutor Mike Nifong admitted in court that he has yet to interview the victim over the facts of her story. And what has been the response to these revelations by the NQTV crowd?

Just back away silently as if nothing happened.

Illegal immigration

If there is a ground zero for NQTV, then California is part of it. For years this state has witnessed a growing population of illegals coming from our border with Mexico. Each year, thousands of South Americans willingly cross our borders illegally. For many of them, they are in search of employment that can provide them better life–something that has evaded them in their own country of origin. While their reason may be a noble one, the truth is that their increasing presence has been putting a strain on taxpayers whose dollars go to things like hospitals, schools, police protection. While it may be true that some of these illegals do pay taxes, a majority do not. Couple this with the significant crime rate they import into this country and you have a state budget that has gone out of control largely because of this issue.

Just recently a report was released that reveals both the amount of money that is being sent by immigrants to South America and how that money is being spent:

Immigrant workers are sending more money than ever to their families in Latin America, but two new studies show that only a small portion of the billions of dollars directed there has gone to economic development.

A report released yesterday by the Inter-American Development Bank estimates that immigrants living in the United States will send $45 billion to family members this year, representing a steady increase from about $2 billion in 1980. (more…)

To put that amount in perspective, the state budget for the state of California back in 2002 was $79.2 billion. The total state budget for the state of Louisiana back in 2001 was $13.9 billion. Wanna talk about how Mexico treats their illegals?

(MSNBC) As tough as the United States can be for workers who slip in from south of the border, Mexico is in a poor position to criticize. The problem goes far beyond the predatory gantlet of thugs and crooked cops facing defenseless transients like Moisés. There’s ample precedent in Mexico for just about everything the United States is—or isn’t—doing. Calling out the military? Mexicans may hate the new U.S. plan to deploy 6,000 National Guard troops on the border, but five years ago they cheered President Vicente Fox for sending thousands of Mexican soldiers to crack down on their southern frontier. Tougher laws? Hispanic-rights groups are enraged over U.S. efforts to criminalize undocumented aliens—yet since 1974, sneaking into Mexico has been punishable by up to two years in prison. Foot-dragging on amnesty? Fox has spent the past five years urging the United States to upgrade the status of millions of illegals from Mexico. Meanwhile, his own government has given legal status to only 15,000 foreigners without papers.

Some of the worst abuses take place on the coffee plantations of Chiapas state, where some 40,000 Guatemalan field hands endure backbreaking jobs and squalid living conditions to earn roughly $3.50 a day. Some growers even deduct the cost of room and board from that amount. “If you ask them, ‘Why are you bringing in Guatemalans to work?’ they say, ‘You can’t depend on Mexicans. They don’t work hard; they’re irresponsible’,” says George Grayson, a political scientist specializing in Mexico at the College of William & Mary. “The truth is, you can pay [the guest workers] a pittance. And if they cause the slightest disturbance, you can send them back to Guatemala.” (more…)

On the other hand, illegals in this country are given the opportunity to get free education, free medical care, free police protection and all other tax-payer benefits. Yet to many, simply bringing up these other facts will classify you as a bigot or a racist. Never mind referring to them as illegals.

The Poor

One of the most overplayed game pieces in the game of politics is discussion regarding the plight of the poor in this country. Just listening to some of the discussion out there on this topic and you would think that there are huge swaths in this country that resemble Rwanda. Actually, the word “poor” here in America has a much different meaning when you compare it to true poverty in third-world countries. Below are some stats taken from the U.S. Census Bureau:

*In 1995, 41 percent of all “poor” households owned their own homes.

*The average home owned by a person classified as “poor” has three bedrooms, one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

*Over three-quarters of a million “poor” persons own homes worth over $150,000; and nearly 200,000 “poor” persons own homes worth over $300,000.

*Only 7.5 percent of “poor” households are overcrowded. Nearly 60 percent have two or more rooms per person.

*The average “poor” American has one-third more living space than the average Japanese does and four times as much living space as the average Russian. 2

*Seventy percent of “poor” households own a car; 27 percent own two or more cars.

*Ninety-seven percent have a color television. Nearly half own two or more televisions.

*Nearly three-quarters have a VCR; more than one in five has two VCRs.

*Two-thirds of “poor” households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

*Sixty-four percent of the “poor” own microwave ovens, half have a stereo system, and over a quarter have an automatic dishwasher.

*As a group, the “poor” are far from being chronically hungry and malnourished. In fact, poor persons are more likely to be overweight than are middle-class persons. Nearly half of poor adult women are overweight.

*Despite frequent charges of widespread hunger in the United States, 84 percent of the “poor” report their families have “enough” food to eat; 13 percent state they “sometimes” do not have enough to eat, and 3 percent say they “often” do not have enough to eat.

*The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children, and in most cases is well above recommended norms.

*Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes that are 100 percent above recommended levels.

*Most poor children today are in fact super-nourished, growing up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier that the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II. (more…)

There’s more…

“The U.S. Department of Agriculture periodically surveys the food and nutriment consumption of American households. These surveys provide little evidence of widespread under-nutrition among the poor; in fact, they show that the average nutriment consumption among the poor closely resembles that of the upper middle class. Example: Children in families with incomes below the poverty level actually consume more meat than do children in families with incomes at 350 percent of poverty or higher (roughly $57,000 for a family of four in today’s dollars).”

Now please do not get me wrong here. There are numbers of legitimate cases of poverty in this country. But if the self-proclaimed champions for the poor were the slow down long enough to look at the data (like what was provided above), they will quickly realize that true poverty in this country is not as widespread as they would like to have you believe.

Make any suggestion that requires those classified as poor to do something to pull themselves out of poverty and you will hear some of the same criticisms hurled at former President Bill Clinton when he signed into law the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act:

“At the time, most American liberals predicted disaster. As Katha Pollitt wrote in The New Republic, “wages will go down, families will fracture, millions of children will be made more miserable than ever.” One frequently cited study predicted that more than a million children would be thrown into poverty. Welfare advocates painted vivid pictures of families sleeping on sidewalks, widespread starvation, and worse. The New York Times opined, “the effect on our cities will be devastating.” Senator Frank Lautenberg, a Democrat of New Jersey, predicted “hungry and homeless children” would be walking our streets “begging for money, begging for food, even…engaging in prostitution.” The Nation prophesied that “people will die, businesses will close, infant mortality will soar.” You would have expected to step over bodies in the streets.” (more…)

While I have met and known poor people in my life that are hard working and are doing everything they can to make ends meet, I have also met my share of poor people who are very lazy and can give a (blank) about what you think. So in order to prevent offense and the impression that you are insensitive to the “poor”, many folks find it easier to treat ALL those who consider themselves as poor as a bunch of helpless and ignorant simpletons who are unable to think straight unless the government is spoon feeding them with program after program. Many of these individuals are just too afraid to call a spade a “spade” because they do not want to appear as the “uppity” American that “beats up” on the poor. Little do they realize that their silence on this issue is fuel needed by those who blatantly abuse the welfare system. And there are many that do in this country.

Homelessness

This is actually closely related to the last topic on the poor.

Back in my younger days when I was feeling my way through the political spectrum, I had always admired Liberal Democrats for being so adamant when it came to addressing the homeless situation in this country. They always seemed to know how to get to the heart of the issue–when they were talking about it.

Living out here in California (the Left coast), you will quickly see that “talk” and “walk” on this issue are two very different things. Some of the most wealthy cities out here have some of the worst homeless problems in the country. What has always puzzled me is how can many of these limousine Liberals lecture Americans on how bad we treat our poor and homeless when their very backyards are filled with the same issue? Seems to me that if they believe that homelessness is caused by an unfair distribution of wealth that they would lead by example in their own communities. Why do these individuals find it easier to jump in their private planes and fly to another country to address their poverty and homeless problems when the same problem (although on a much lighter scale) exists in their own backyards? Because it is easier dealing with these problems “over there” than to seriously deal with these issues here without being considered “too hard” on the underclass or an elitist. At some point you have to play the heavy by giving folks who do not want help an ultimatum.

Like with poverty, I have met and known homeless people who are doing everything in their power to secure permanent housing. I have also met many homeless people who have very little interest in getting off the streets. While numbers of these individuals suffer from mental illness, there is also a significant number that are comfortable with living with very little responsibilities attached to their lives. In other words, it is possible that a homeless person can be lazy. For the politically correct crowd, simply acknowledging this fact is considered not only not false, but an insult to the underclass everywhere.

There have been many times in my life where I have offered a to walk a homeless person to the nearest restaurant and pay for their meal. In most of those cases, my offer was turned down and replaced with a request for cash. At that point I just say “no” and move on. Many of these individuals will faithfully hold up cardboard signs telling you that they are hungry. But when you offer to actually help these individuals instead of tossing them pocket change (something that will never get them off of the street by itself), many of them will refuse your offer and walk the other way.

While it is important to remain sensitive these important issues, we also cannot allow ourselves to become stupefied by political correctiveness.

Comments
  1. Rhythm says:

    okay, i couldn’t read the whole entry (I’m at work, Duane, break ’em up), but in regards to the Duke case, i find the fact that she went back to work stripping irrelevant. if she had and occupation deemed respectable by the masses, no one would question the fact that she went back to work 2 weeks later. she had bills to pay like anybody else. and all the moral or safety issues in the world didn’t change that.

    also, as a member of the ANQTV crowd (meaning ALMOST never…), i would rather risk disbelieving alleged perpetrators than disbelieve (read: re-victimize) the alleged victim. this is true for me in most cases.

    also, i think a large part of this reaction is just that–a reaction. it’s the result of this country’s automatic defense and support of athletes charged with sexual assault. Nobody wants the game to be cancelled. you see it in high school, college, and the pros. it’s like, we’ll deal with whether or not he’s a rapist next week. but in the meantime, we need him to score some points on the field (court, etc.). so, often i feel obligated to prompt people to consider the alleged victim’s claims simply becuase sports center, cnn, and local news want to point out all the reasons she’s “lying” based on the faulty notion that rape is about sex. so the “logic” is, why would he rape her when he could have any woman he wanted? and the answer to such logic is that he wouldn’t, if rape were about sex rather than power and control.

    so, somebody has to be a part of the NQTV group to balance out the NQTA (never question the athlete) group.

    peace

  2. Duane says:

    I could be wrong here, but I do not think that someone who was brutally raped as she claimed isn’t going to be in a rush to take her clothes off in front of more men.

    I hear what you are saying, but TRUTH is something that is not achieved by popular vote. If this young woman was lying, then society needs to “grow a pair” and call if for what it is. These are the last two lines of my post:

    “While it is important to remain sensitive these important issues, we also cannot allow ourselves to become stupefied by political correctiveness.”

    In this country, a person is supposedly innocent until proven guilty. This is conclusion I had to reach (even though my “Blackness” was ready to lock these boys in prison for a long time). Unfortunately, most people chose to make this a case for women’s rights/Class-ism/and racism without wanting to hear all of the facts. And those that did discuss these facts were oftentimes viewed as “racist” or “anti-women’s rights”.

  3. MIB says:

    I believe you’re mistaking the normative reaction of sympathy for passing judgement ahead of knowing the facts — something many people (including you, BTW) do, IMO. The $.10 word describing this behavior is prejudice and we’re all guilty of it to varying degrees at different points in time; some more than others.

    The important thing to remember when participating in the Court of Public Opinion is it only serves as an introduction to a given issue. It remains incumbent upon each of us to educate ourselves on specifics when interested so that we’re secure in the choices we make.

  4. Rhythm says:

    well said, MIB. and @ Duane: it’s very well possible (maybe even likely) that a woman who has been brutally raped might not “rush” to take off her clothes in front of strange men, but it’s also a possibility that the two may not relate in her mind. just as many women have intimacy issues after being raped while others don’t, or don’t to severe degrees…”takes all kinds”

  5. Duane says:

    And the $20 word for those who are not willing (because of their prejudice) to include all the facts in their reasoning is STUPID. 🙂

    I believe you’re mistaking the normative reaction of sympathy for passing judgement ahead of knowing the facts — something many people (including you, BTW) do, IMO.

    For starters, while I do not have a problem admitting when I am wrong, if you are going to make such an claim please provide examples supporting your claim. Specific examples, please.

    The important thing to remember when participating in the Court of Public Opinion is it only serves as an introduction to a given issue. It remains incumbent upon each of us to educate ourselves on specifics when interested so that we’re secure in the choices we make.

    But if the choices you make are based on half truths, then you like everyone else should be called on it. This does not mean that I am always right or you are wrong (or the other way around), what it means it that their should be a goal by all sides that TRUTH is the ultimate goal. If one side tries to bury or is quick to dismiss a certain set of facts without examination, then that side is on the path of error. They are no longer interested in the truth, just a validation of their opinion. The problem in the Duke rape case is that while there was an overwhelming assumption that this woman was telling the truth, many of those who shared that initial opinion have been very quiet when evidence to the contrary began to surface.

    Rhythm:

    And there is also a posibility that this woman is lying and cared nothing about wrecking the reputations of those who stuck their neck out for her. Have you factored in those posibilities into your reasoning?

    “…but it’s also a possibility that the two may not relate in her mind. just as many women have intimacy issues after being raped while others don’t, or don’t to severe degrees…”takes all kinds.”

    Let’s be real here for a moment. Do you really believe that a woman that was GANG RAPED to the point where she was sent to the hospital and reported it to the police would feel comfortable enough to put herself back in the same environment where it could happen again in 2 weeks? Sorry, but the economy is not that bad. You response here so far is proving my point that there are folks out there that WILLINGLY will not look at or consider all the evidence that has surfaced thus far. If you are trying to make this into a case for rape victims everywhere, this is not the case.

    MIB, I am very serious about those specific examples.

  6. MIB says:

    “… if you are going to make such a claim please provide examples supporting your claim. Specific examples, please.”

    Very well then.

    Here is one of several posts on this site where you’ve already decided the case is phony using a series of non sequiturs defaming the alleged victim in the Duke rape case and its DA, without having much (if any) first hand knowlege of forensic and/or circumstantial evidence in the possession of investigators. You’ve employed a similar style of dissemblance in this thread in judging (liberal) public reaction to illegal immigration, homelessness, and poverty as excessive — again, prior to having a full command of facts in your possession.

    “… what it means is there should be a goal by all sides that TRUTH [emphasis yours] is the ultimate goal.”

    That’s why we… at least some of us… respect due process, although it’s often not upheld in the public sphere, especially during political discourse. However due process is not an end unto itself; it’s a means for determining justice from two sides presenting what they each believe to be the truth. It’s for this reason the alleged victim in the Duke incident is to afforded the presumption of innocense as are the alleged assailants prior to due process running its course. I happen to think an informal version of this standard applies to any participant in a conversation, public or private, as a matter of courtesy.

  7. Duane says:

    What we do know about this case is that this “victim” has given conflicting reports on what happened that evening. The person that was supposed to be the star witness has repeatedly denied her allegation, the DA has not interviewed her after all this time, the seamen that was found on her was from her boyfriend, the accused have voluntarily taken lie detector tests and have all passed. Most of all, there has been no DNA evidence found on her linking her to any of the individuals that she claimed raped her. You may also want to add in that mix the fact that many in the legal sector (mind you, some of which that at first took sides with this “victim”) have now backed off what they thought to believe to be a “slam dunk” case.

    As I mentioned somewhere above, my first reaction to this case was actually anger that something like this could happen. However, after taking into consideration all of what we know so far, this case is turning into a joke. Sure, ultimately the courts will make the final decision on this case, but I wonder if you used the same discretion with the James Byrd case or with Rodney King (mind you, the Rodney King video only told part of the story that took place that night).

    As for the rest of your comments, while you took offence at me calling out Liberals, you fail to acknowledge the fact (as pointed out in this post) that I LIVE in ground zero where these issues are taking place. But according to your logic here, I am supposed to tone it down simply because I do not have name, rank and serial number of both sides of the issue. While this may have the appearance of being fair, it does nothing to address the issues mentioned here at hand. I have seen rich folks in these cities walk over the homeless and then turn around and accuse the nation for not doing enough. Are conservatives guilty of this? You bet. But I do not know of too many Conservative-controlled cities in this country. In the world where I live (West Coast), Liberals have been in control for decades, yet the problems mentioned here have become worse. But if I mention the word “Liberal” in my rebuke, somehow I am not being fair. Go figure.

    The bottom line here is this, you may not like the fact that I call out Liberals (and Conservatives) on some of the issues, but for whatever reason you make the choice to keep coming back here. Now either you are one bored person who doesn’t have anything better to do, or their is something in my “madness” that keeps bringing you back here. I may not always be right here, but if I notice something is not adding up based on what I know (trust me, I spend hours doing this), I am going to give my opinion on it. The numbers to this site tell me that I must be saying something right.

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  8. Mr. Roach says:

    Good stuff. Most of our problems are moral and cultural, not poverty or homelessness. Three hots and a cot are no small accomplishment, but if mommy is filling your heads with poison in the form of a bad example and daddy is absent, this is a formula for failure.

  9. David martschinske says:

    Hmm. Very interesting post. It is sobering to realize how much our “news” is more sensationalism than it is unbiased fact. This makes ya wonder a bit more. Very well written.

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