Jesus Was NOT A “Community Organizer”

Posted: September 5, 2008 in Just "Why?"

“Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor”

I’ve seen this statement several places across the net today. If folks are going to refer to the Bible (something BTW I thought was wrong to do in politics), please tell the correct story. However, if we are going to Wikipedia-ize the Bible, allow me to add the following.

Jesus Christ was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor and the community yelled “Crucify Him!”

Sorry, but Obama doesn’t even come close to Jesus.

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  1. noweapon says:

    Well said! Jesus came to point the way to God, and not the White House.

  2. Louis Williams says:

    Bruh

    you are GOOOOOOOOOD!!

    Continue to Represent.

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    Circa 2008 ” The Leaders of TODAY are Followers of Christ for ETERNITY – pass the Cross to Crown” – the Ultimate Performance Review – ” Well Done Good & Faithful Steward of All your/HIS Gifts

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  3. Hi.
    I’m one of the people who pointed out that Jesus was a community organizer and that Pilate was a governor. My reason for making this analogy is that the governor who was mocking Obama’s community service makes her Christianity a big part of her political message. Obama spent three years doing difficult and thankless work here on the streets of Chicago that nobody who was mocking it at the Republican Convention would have been able to do for a day. My point in the title of this post is that if the Republicans want to use overt religious talk in their campaign it can backfire against them. In the Gospels, there was a governor, and there was a guy who spent three years doing difficult and thankless work in his community.
    If you think that I’m wiki-izing the story, then let me point out that the ‘community’ that called for the crucifixion of Christ were the people of Jerusalem, where Jesus only spent a week. He caused quite a ruckus there when he threw the moneylenders from the place and gave the prophesy that Jerusalem would be torn down. It shouldn’t be a surprise that the leader of these ‘stupid little marches’ (yes, I’ve poked around some of your other posts) wouldn’t be so popular with the people who had their daily lives and businesses disrupted by his activities. The governor in that story ignored his conscience to placate the unwashed mob.

    I think my analogy stands.
    -Winston Delgado

  4. Duane says:

    If you think that I’m wiki-izing the story, then let me point out that the ‘community’ that called for the crucifixion of Christ were the people of Jerusalem, where Jesus only spent a week.

    If you knew anything about the Bible beyond the cover or the movie “Jesus Christ, Superstar”, you would have known that the crowd was largely made up of folks who just finished laying palms at His feet singing “Hosanna”. Even Jesus’ own disiples and other followers abandoned Him after spending 3+ years of their lives with Him. How does this all relate to Obama, I still do not know.

    I think my analogy stands

    In your mind, I’m sure it does. But do yourself a favor and stop referring to the Bible in political discourse when you clearly do not have a handle on complete Biblical history.

  5. Duane-
    The sequence of the events of Holy Week is quite well documented in the Gospels. They feted Him with hosanna’s and palm fronds as He entered the city. Then they heard Him talk and saw Him act in the way I described. Then they turned on Him. You are exactly right in saying that the community He organized over those three years was not the community that demanded His crucifixion. That was my point. I was responding to your addition to my phrase of the words ‘and the community yelled ‘Crucify Him!” Nothing more.

    I am actually very well-versed in the Bible and especially the New Testament. While I am familiar with the various modern interpretations of the life of Christ they do not form the basis of my understanding. No single church or political party has ownership of the Bible or the teachings of Christ. I find it ironic that you take umbrage at my use of religious metaphors in political discourse when the right wing obviously feels free to do so. I imagine that if I were using Revelations to make arguments that Obama is the Antichrist you might not feel that my words were inappropriate or my scholarship so poor.

    -Winston Delgado

  6. Duane says:

    You are exactly right in saying that the community He organized over those three years was not the community that demanded His crucifixion.

    Never suggested this (reread what I said). Jesus NEVER organized a community. He had followers. The “community” you are trying to suggest here was actually the early church. That did not come together until after His death and resurrection.

    I find it ironic that you take umbrage at my use of religious metaphors in political discourse when the right wing obviously feels free to do so. I imagine that if I were using Revelations to make arguments that Obama is the Antichrist you might not feel that my words were inappropriate or my scholarship so poor.

    Actually, I have a problem with ANYBODY who uses the Bible to prop up their party. As a Christian, I use the Bible to help formulate MY world view, but I do not hold others to that same standard. Others may look to Buddha, etc., etc. Everybody has their own compass. But at the end of the day, elected officials must follow the rule of law in our DEMOCRACY. If the people don’t like the law, we the people can contest it and have it overturned.

    One conservative (name escapes me) said that it was “God’s will” for us to be in Iraq. I don’t agree with that. Jesse Jackson said “Jesus was a Liberal”. Don’t agree with that either.

    My main point here it that you and others could have easily made your point without misrepresenting the Bible–or even using it for that matter. Jesus was injected in this politico-net frenzy only because it was an attempt to shut down criticism coming from the Right (after all, they revere Jesus). It was supposed to be a silver bullet of sorts–not realizing that the statement was nowhere near how the Bible presents Jesus.

    And again, He NEVER organized a community.

  7. Duane-
    So, all the instruction, lectures, teachings were for… what? Why would He name Peter His ‘rock’ if He weren’t putting something together? Why would He instruct His disciples on how to pray and remember Him with bread and wine? What does the parable of the sower mean if Jesus wasn’t trying to organize a community? What was Jesus doing in Luke 9?

    ‘When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra tunic. Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them.” So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere.’

    There’s plenty of other examples that I could cite but I don’t want to be accused of burying you in scriptural quotes. Maybe I’m just stupid, but Jesus kind of strikes me as the original ‘community organizer’. If Jesus wasn’t trying to organize a community of people who would live by His teachings, what was it He was trying to do? If you say ‘save our souls’, well, how would the message that saves our souls ever have reached us if He did not organize the community that carried to us?

    To say the Right ‘reveres Jesus’ and that my use of religious language is an attempt to ‘shut down’ their criticism is as facile as you are accusing me of being. I am one person with a rather unorthodox point of view. I don’t think I can ‘shut down’ millions of Americans from expressing themselves. Furthermore, while I can agree that there are many people who pay lip service to Jesus I don’t think that their actions or words demonstrate their real reverence. The Republican Party has been shouting ‘Jesus!’ for votes for a long time. All I did was point out something uncomfortable.

    By the way, Governor Palin is one of the people who has said it is ‘God’s will’ we’re in Iraq.
    Winston Delgado

  8. Duane says:

    All I did was point out something uncomfortable.

    Uncomfortable to whom? This is that assumed silver bullet I was talking about.

    You provided a passage of scripture that says absolutely NOTHING about how Jesus ‘organized’ a community. In this passage, He gave His disciples instruction and the followed them. Telling a group of kids to stay in school (for example)does not qualify me as a “community organizer”. When you get a chance, check out the definition of the word ‘community’. Then, compare that to the early church (The book of Acts goes into detail of how the early church became community and how the apostles organized it).

    If Jesus wasn’t trying to organize a community of people who would live by His teachings, what was it He was trying to do?

    Christ did not come to organize a community. To equate Jesus to that is to make Him no different than anyone else.

    #1- He was God’s son
    #2 – He came to be the finial sacrifice for our sin. In other words, His whole purpose was to die so that we could once again have the opportunity to be reconnected to God THROUGH HIM.
    #3- The ‘community’ you keep talking about was organized by the apostles. It was not Jesus’ job to instruct folks how to run a church

    One of my favorite websites CARM (CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY) is known for their very detailed study of God’s word. Here is a list (with scripture references) of the reasons why Christ came [link].

    By the way, Governor Palin is one of the people who has said it is ‘God’s will’ we’re in Iraq.

    If in fact she said this, then of course I disagree with her.

    Then you must also disagree with Nancy Pelosi when she said:“God Has Blessed Us With Obama”.

    Or how about former DNC Chairman Don Fowler’s comment suggesting that God was on the side of Democrats, thanks to Hurricane Gustav?

    Or how about Michael Moore’s comment:“I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven. To just have it planned at the same time, that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for Day One of the Republican convention, up in the Twin Cities, at the top of the Mississippi River.”

    If you are going to call it out, do so across the board.

  9. Richard Froggatt says:

    By the way, Governor Palin is one of the people who has said it is ‘God’s will’ we’re in Iraq.

    If in fact she said this, then of course I disagree with her.

    I heard the actual quote this evening on Michael Medved’s program. What she said (and I’m paraphrasing) is more akin to praying to be able to know God’s will in their actions; not that the war was/is His will.

  10. Duane-
    I like your site. Thank you for the conversation.

    (shakes dust from sandals, moves on.)

  11. Duane says:

    You are quite welcome.

  12. annony67 says:

    To furious buddha
    You wrote: “I am actually very well-versed in the Bible and especially the New Testament. …I imagine that if I were using Revelations to make arguments that Obama is the Antichrist…”

    The book of the Bible you are referring to is called Revelation, not Revelations. A person who claims to be well-versed in the Bible should know this.

  13. jjay says:

    i never bought the whole obama antichrist claim, but his head sure has swelled to biblical proportions, the “comunity organizer statement , is asanine, your saying obama IS christ and palin IS his crucifier. giving credence to the rights claims.i have never seen a canditate meltdown under pressure like this. obama now has that dan quayle in the headlights look ,many had hoped that palin would have , instead she energized the downtroden republican base [who 3 weeks ago didnt care about this election because mcain wasnt conservative enough.] now you have an energized base, independents leaning in your direction, and a % of hillary voters going toward mcain,wow mcain didnt have a chance a month ago , now he just might win. i myself am leaning toward mcain, though early on in the primary i was impressed with obamas speeches, but when the heat turned up[and lets be honest, cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs and nbc and 95 % of the print media wich is by far where the majority of people get their news ]was giving obama a free pass on issues and past problems[ resko ayers, wright etc.. now with one bold [out of left field pick] palin and her crucifiction by the news media for nothing important to her qualification, 2 things happened, it put the so called”evil” ,rich ,and starve the poor republicans into a sympathetic figure , and the left wing slanted news media [us magazine] did the job for mccain, and this obama is christ palin is pilate, drives the point home, basically socialism, doubled capital gains rates, banning conservatives from talk radio,[their only way to even the palying field of the liberal monopoly on tv, [with the token fox news only the right’s side] the more i dig , and research, the more i cannot beleive obama is what i thought he was. i have voted both democrat and republican in my life, i always vote for who i trust with the economy and who would be better in charge of the military and the justice dept. the funny thing to me here is ,of all the candidates i thought hillary was the best for those 2 criteria, and ubelievably palin is more qualified than obama. in my opinion. and though im not the biggest mcain fan, i believe he would handle the military correctly, and keeping tax cuts is a good idea to me, and i sure am tired of being held over a barrel of oil, by chavez, opec and anyone else that hold ill will toward us. i may have voted for a clinton obama ticket. but obama biden, ugghh! that was a very unwise vp choice. and palin , either mcain’s a political genuis ,or the luckiest guy on earth. either way it will be a election to remember.

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