The association game continues

Posted: March 21, 2008 in Uncategorized

Photograph of Bill Clinton and Rev. Wright Surfaces

By Kate Phillips

nytimes.com

During one of the most difficult periods in the presidency of Bill Clinton, he addressed a group of clerics at an annual prayer breakfast in September 1998 just as the Starr report outlining his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky was about to be published.

Among those in attendance, was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., who is seen shaking hands with Mr. Clinton in a photograph provided today by the Obama campaign. Mr. Wright’s relationship with Senator Barack Obama, as his longtime pastor, has been the subject of considerable controversy in recent days because of incendiary excerpts of sermons Mr. Wright gave at their church, Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago. (more…)

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  1. Wizz says:

    Trinity United Church is fighting back and have created a YouTube channel and have began to post Rev. Wrights sermons… The one about “chickens come home to roost” is SO out of context that the so called “news” organizations should be embarrassed.

    Before you demonize the man you could at the very least listen to him first.

    Sermon I am referring to in full context:

    FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

    Other Sermons: (including God D**n America!)

    Trinity United YouTube Channel

    They Also have a pretty good blog:

    Truth About Trinity United Blog

    You might disagree with what he is saying but it is NOT HATE…. And is in no way different than just about EVERY black church I have been to. They did him just like they did Imus..

  2. Duane says:

    Now tell the rest of the story–

    Pastor Wright Erased From Obama’s Website

    Obama’s preacher sanitizes website

    Removes radical ‘Black Value System’ from church ‘About Us’ page

    If there was nothing wrong with anything Wright said or preached (which was/is based on the Black Liberation Theology), why then A) did Obama remove him from his site (the section that was removed from Obama’s site had NOTHING to do with his actual postion with the campaign and B) why did the church remove this “Black value system” off of their website? So if Wright was taken out of context like you are suggesting here, why then were these changes made?

    Here is something else I came across this weekend,

    Rev. Wright also included a pro-Hamas editorial in one of UCC’s church bulletins

    This is the same Hamas that was behind strapping two mentally-retarted women with bombs not to long ago.

    DON’T MISS THE NEXT SENTENCE!!!

    Obama should not be held accountable for his pastor’s comments.

    Having said that…

    It is very clear that this kind of talk and outlook on America did not make Obama uncomfortable enough to leave. He is a liberal, so I would not expect him to feel uncomfortable (you may think that what I just said was a low blow, but most liberals do aggree with that rehtoric TO SOME DEGREE).

    When Trent Lott said the crap he said a while back, Obama called for his head and rightfully so. When Imus said what he did, Obama was one of the first politicians to jump on it to score political points by calling for him to be fired. Obama spends 20 years under this type of pastor who believes and preaches this ideolgy and we are supposed to automatically put it in “context”?

    The one thing that I will say is that the more conservatives on talk radio and television play out this thing over and over again, it is going to backfire on them. I say, move away from it and focus on his stance on this issues.

    Getting back to Trent Lott, check out how Time magazine went as far back to his college days to dig up his stances regarding Blacks being accepted in the frat he was part of. Please take note of the title.

    Trent Lott’s Segregationist College Days

    Now take a look how the same magazine is treating UCC.

    The Origin of Obama’s Pastor Problem

    A Visit to Obama’s Chicago Church

    Let me give you a big hint, neither article delved into the racial aspects of this church and its doctrine. As readers, we are supposed to only focus on the good things this church has done. Nothing on his (Wright) support of Hamas, nothing on some of his other inflammatory comments and how they are just as wrong as comments made by some on the right.

    And let’s not forget here that Dems have been the greatest offenders of pulling the race card in this race.

    Perhaps the biggest thing about this is that when Trent Lott or other Republicans were caught within a mile of comments made against Blacks, Democrats did not stop their association game until that person was removed from his post. When it is the other way around, we are supposed to see it in the (W)right context with a heaping dash of refernces to slavery and Jim Crow.

    Hopefully all of this will somehow translate into a national discussion on the stances of each candidate. My gut feeling says it won’t.

    Dinner time for me. Take care.

  3. Wizz says:

    Rev. Wright did not lead some radical fringe church. He was (stress WAS) the leader of one of the largest most respected churches in the Chicago area. Everyone from doctors and lawyers to people from the south side projects went to that church… Even Oprah was a member (maybe still is). This is a mega church that he has led for 20-30+ years. Are all these thousands of people nuts? Are they all deluded, following some cult leader? Should I listen to them or someone who has not listened to one of Wrights sermons?

    And he is not racist.. This church belongs to a mostly white denomination with many white members. There are videos of white members defending the church as well as preaching from the pulpit. Should I listen to them or someone who has just listened to a few lines of Wright lifted out of context to be shown in the most negative light possible. It is just plain ridiculous that people are comparing this man to David Duke or some white supremacist.. It is just NOT TRUE… One of the sites you linked to had this quote:

    “Theologically he believes that the true ‘Chosen People’ are the blacks,” said Caroline B. Glick, an editor for the Jerusalem Post. “Indeed he is a black supremacist.”

    Even if that is true, which I don’t know that it is… So what??? Are Jews who think Jews are the chosen people Jew supremacist? That said… I wouldn’t be surprised if that wasn’t taken out of context or just plain made up either.

    I have watched the sermons that the media has been replaying sound bites from over and over. And it is just plain ridiculous what they did. If those are taken so severely out of context, why would I not believe everything else they have mentioned is not taken as severely out of context. This is not something someone told me. It is a conclusion I came up with on my own from watching them myself. I can no longer trust anything they tell me about this man. A positive side effect of all this crap is that I no longer watch all these talking head idiots on TV. They are no longer welcome in my living room.

    I agree that this is going to backfire for sure. Not only are conservatives never going to have a chance to convince black america that they care about them or their issues, they are also going to turn off other conservatives whose own rhetoric has been just as fiery or worse when it come to issues like abortion, gays, or illegal immigration.

  4. brotherbrown says:

    Wizz, are you saying america went for the okey-doke? You may be on to something.

    Duane, let’s not be naive. The way politics is played today, Obama basically needs to purge all that stuff. If he didn’t, his detractors would claim what? Be honest.

    Charles Murray, author of “The Bell Curve” had an interesting take:

    “Take, for example, the treatment of his reference to his white grandmother. Of course you can go after him in all the ways that people have gone after him—if what you want to do is go after him. But suppose you approach Obama’s text under the twin assumptions that (a) he is trying to communicate with you, and, (b) your obligation is to make a good-faith effort to understand his meaning. I read what he said about his grandmother, and his words left me in no doubt about two things: He really loves his grandmother, and he was saying something important about race that I recognized from my own experience. I bet many of the people who have slammed him recognize it from their own experience too. The guy was being honest, and he was being right. What the hell more do you want?”

    Read his entire article here.

  5. Wizz says:

    If I watched the two main sermons that started all this “controversy” and I see with my own eyes and ears that what ALL these talking heads have been saying is BS, why would I trust anything else they have said about this man.. Why would I believe that anything else they have said about him was not taken as severely out of context?

    This man was not preaching at some fringe church.. He WAS the pastor of one of the largest and most respected churches in Chicago for 20+ years.. All the thousands of people that have gone to this church over the years can not be that deluded. I will listen to them over someone who hasn’t even listened to ONE of his sermons… You have educated, uneducated, hell even Oprah have gone to this church.

    As far as this being a “racist” church… It is in a mostly white denomination, so that makes no sense. There are several white people who are members of the church who have come out on video defending it. There is video of white people preaching from the pulpit… I’ll take their word for it over someone who has not been to the church or have not listened to ANY of Wrights sermons.

  6. Wizz says:

    If I watched the two main sermons that started all this “controversy” and I see with my own eyes and ears that what ALL these talking heads have been saying is BS, why would I trust anything else they have said about this man.. Why would I believe that anything else they have said about him was not taken as severely out of context?

    This man was not preaching at some fringe church.. He WAS the pastor of one of the largest and most respected churches in Chicago for 20+ years.. All the thousands of people that have gone to this church over the years can not be that deluded. I will listen to them over someone who hasn’t even listened to ONE of his sermons… You have educated, uneducated, hell even Oprah have gone to this church.

    As far as this being a “racist” church… It is in a mostly white denomination, so that makes no sense. There are several white people who are members of the church who have come out on video defending it. There is video of white people preaching from the pulpit… I’ll take their word for it over someone who has not been to the church or have not listened to ANY of Wrights sermons.

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  7. Wizz says:

    Rev. Wright did not lead some radical fringe church. He was (stress WAS) the leader of one of the largest most respected churches in the Chicago area. Everyone from doctors and lawyers to people from the south side projects went to that church… Even Oprah was a member (maybe still is). This is a mega church that he has led for 20-30+ years. Are all these thousands of people nuts? Are they all deluded, following some cult leader? Should I listen to them or someone who has not listened to one of Wrights sermons?

    And he is not racist.. This church belongs to a mostly white denomination with many white members. There are videos of white members defending the church as well as preaching from the pulpit. Should I listen to them or someone who has just listened to a few lines of Wright lifted out of context to be shown in the most negative light possible. It is just plain ridiculous that people are comparing this man to David Duke or some white supremacist.. It is just NOT TRUE… One of the sites you linked to had this quote:

    “Theologically he believes that the true ‘Chosen People’ are the blacks,” said Caroline B. Glick, an editor for the Jerusalem Post. “Indeed he is a black supremacist.”

    Even if that is true, which I don’t know that it is… So what??? Are Jews who think Jews are the chosen people Jew supremacist? That said… I wouldn’t be surprised if that wasn’t taken out of context or just plain made up either.

    I have watched the sermons that the media has been replaying sound bites from over and over. And it is just plain ridiculous what they did. If those are taken so severely out of context, why would I not believe everything else they have mentioned is not taken as severely out of context. This is not something someone told me. It is a conclusion I came up with on my own from watching them myself. I can no longer trust anything they tell me about this man. A positive side effect of all this crap is that I no longer watch all these talking head idiots on TV. They are no longer welcome in my living room.

    I agree that this is going to backfire for sure. Not only are conservatives never going to have a chance to convince black america that they care about them or their issues, they are also going to turn off other conservatives whose own rhetoric has been just as fiery or worse when it come to issues like abortion, gays, or illegal immigration.

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