
Today I have been discussing the whole issue of abortion with one of the readers of this site. It is always good to discuss such con traversal issues without tearing each other down. Please go to the post entitled Thanking mom for not erasing him to catch up on the discussion.
During this conversation, the question of weather or not an unborn baby is the sole “property” of a woman came to me. As I brought out in my discussion, a baby is made up of both the man and the woman. This completely invalidates the claim that abortion is solely a woman’s right.
What the feminist movement has succeeded in doing is making the whole issue of child bearing a woman’s only issue–neglecting the fact that it also took a man to create that child. The feminist movement just plays on the fact that it is the woman that carries the child. By taking this stance, what they have done is given weak men who were already irresponsible prior to the encounter yet another reason why they should stay out of the life of their child.
By making child-bearing a woman’s only issue, feminist have taken away the equal ownership men have in the situation as well. If we are to accept the ideology that men have no say in the child-bearing process, then there should be no criticism levied on men who don’t take care of their children once they are born. Like motherhood, fatherhood begins at conception.
I think that it has been very unfair that most criticism aimed towards women who have had abortions has not been directed towards the men who helped make the baby in the first place (please note here that women who have had abortions are not always victims. According to feminists, this is all about choice. Therefore, constructive criticism is valid). As I said in my earlier discussion, men who do not take care of their unborn child have already committed a “type” of abortion. What I find very puzzling with the “It’s the woman’s body and the government should have no say over my body” argument is that the same government they reject having any kind of authority over their bodies is the same government they use to chase down men who do not “pay up” for not supporting “their child”. At what point is it determined that it is now become the man’s responsibility?
I agree wholeheartedly that government should have no say over the choices that one makes with their body. Nevertheless, I also have to acknowledge that the “body” that we are talking about belongs to both the man and woman. If Conservatives want to treat abortion as murder, then I am all for it. If that is the case, then men who do not care for this unborn child and mother should equally be prosecuted. I prefer to leave government out of this process.
After a child is born, if both the mother and father decide to give the child away for adoption, then it should be a decision where they both agree. Once the child is gone, then there is really nothing binding these parents together other than the fact they had a child together or if they were legally married. If it is a case where the two cannot agree whether or not to abort the child, then this is something that should be decided in the courts because both have equal share with this child. As I eluded to earlier, because we live in a society where the perception is that the unborn child is solely the property of the woman, you will not see too many court cases over this issue.
I will repeat myself one last time here: Just as it should be the responsibility for a woman to care and nurture her child full term, it is also the responsibility for the father of that child to see to it that both mother and child have everything that they need regardless if the two do not get along. Once that child is conceived, then it becomes all about that child at that point. This is a fact that is hard to accept by many because in this self-centered society where we live, we are not used to laying ourselves down for something other than ourselves even if it isn’t part of OUR life plan.
(recently added) Another thing that we do not want to accept is the simple fact that there are risks when having sex. Society tell us that even if the risks do not favor us in the end, then we have now become the victim. When a man has sex with a woman, he is doing so at the risk of becoming a father in 9 months with child support. For the woman, she is playing with the possibility of carrying a child for 9 + months. All of this is forgotten in the heat of the moment while Barry sings in the background. Ultimately, you cannot cheat biology. You cannot smoke crack and not expect to get high, so why have sex and feel life has given you a “blow” if pregnancy is the result.
For years, women in this country and around the world have been considered second class citizens. This is very wrong and unfortunate especially in societies considered to be advanced. At the same time, there also needs to be an acknowledgment from feminists that there are also many men in our society who do not feel this way and condemn such lunacy. The lives of children (both unborn and born) should not be used as a game piece in this war of the sexes.

Duane,
I have found the conversation very interesting.
As tempted as I was to enter the conversation I’ve stayed out because I could only bring conflict.
“the question of weather or not an unborn baby is the sole “property†of a woman came to me. As I brought out in my discussion, a baby is made up of both the man and the woman. This completely invalidates the claim that abortion is solely a woman’s right.”
My wife and I had been fairly heavily involved in the Pro-Life movement here in Colorado for a number of years.
The followinbg may be unique to the Denver Metro area, but I doubt it.
The majority of women that I interacted with who were seeking an abortion, were talked into the abortion by their husband or their boyfriend.
Abortion is a benifit to men.
Men are able to avoid becoming fathers and avoid increased responsibility because of abortion.
I have in my years meet far more pro-abortion men than I have pro-abortion women.
I also wonder if rhythm has considered not only the physical damage that abortion does to a woman, but the mental anguish it causes.
Studies have been done where it has been found that a vast majority (some where along the lines of 75%) suffer in a mental way after abortion.
And suffer for the remainder of their natural existance.
There were many occasians where we would arrive at an abortion clinic and find flowers and cards left with hand written notes from a mother to the child she had aborted.
We have found similar messages in chalk on the sidewalks outside of abortion clinics.
We have had women walk up to us and burst out in tears, grab us and hug us, telling us they wish they could un-do what they had done.
The child is not the only victim in abortion.
Not to invade your blog with my world-view, but very briefly I would like to say that while an abortion cannot be un-done we were created by a loving God and forgiveness is available to all from this loving God.
God can bring a sense of peace to those who are hurt by the reality of an abortion.
“The child is not the only victim in abortion.”
Like the bumber sticker says Abortion = 1 Dead, 1 Wounded. You’re right, the child is not the only victim when it comes to abortion.
I sit and read these different writings by the Informant, and I really began to question a lot of things in this world. But on these last conversations about abortion I felt the pull to make a comment. I agree one hundred percent with the Informant, and I never thought about it from this point of view.
[It’s the woman’s body and the government should have no say over my body†argument is that the same government they reject having any kind of authority over their bodies is the same government they use to chase down men who do not “pay up†for not supporting “their childâ€Â.]
It’s the truth. And a lot of females that I know have gotten abortions because they want to do whatever it takes to keep their man around. But I don’t think any man will FAITHFULLY stay with a woman after she aborts his child. Even if he was the one to suggest abortion. But I don’t find this to be one of the most interesting conversations about abortion yet.
Sorry, I guess I should edit my comment before submitting it. “I DO find this to be one of the most interesting conversations about abortion yet.” Please disreguard my last statement in the about comment.
You should check out http://www.blackgenocide.org and http://www.blackgenocide.com
They both share great info on Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood and this whole issue of abortion.
Saddly many African Americans don’ t realize how horribly destructive abortion is for the child, mother , father and this whole nation.
Every life is a precious gift from God and has worth, value and purpose. My mother payed for an abortion but walked out of the clinic when a jaintor told her if she wanted to keep her baby then God would give her the strength. She choose life for me and even though we struggled at times she never regrets that decision. Now I am 23 and I direct a pro life ministry in CT. Saddly I have meet so many women who have been hurt by abortion. Women suffer depression, struggle with thoughts of suicude and much more. Some women have even died or have been baddly hurt by ” safe ” abortions.
I go to an abortion clinic once a week and in love I try to talk to the girls and offer them info on organizations that can help them ( finacially, spirtually..and so on). One week the doctor came in driving a brand new Lexus and all the workers came out of the clinic to oohh and ahh over his car. As he drove by me he looked at me and said sarcastically ” so, why aren’t u smiling today”. I was so full of sorrow when he drove by and all I could say was, how can I smile when children are dying inside. He made some smart comment and then drove away. I was just so hurt to see all the workers admiring his brand new car that was bought by shedding the blood of innocent babies. Most people don’t realize that the average abortionist will kill over 50,000 babies in his lifetime..often much more. Right now in Washingtion DC the stats show that there are more black babies dying every year from abortion than even being born.
The Bible says that the Lord knows us when we are in our mothers womb. The Lord has a great destiny for each child, regardless of their family’s finances or if they have a disability or if they were brought into the world tragically as a result of rape. There lifes are still worthwhile. Would Jesus ever perform an abortion if he was on this earth today? Never. Because the Lord sees things so much differently than we do.
in regards to the websites mentioned with the “fetus” pictures…has anyone ever stopped to think that the fingers of a fetus have not yet developed at that size (the picture uses a dime to show scale). the pictures are fake.
“But I don’t think any man will FAITHFULLY stay with a woman after she aborts his child.”
Most often they don’t, even if it was their suggestion as you say.
And why would a woman want a man who encourages (or often times demands) her to abort their child?
Rhythm,
by day 35 the child has all of it’s fingers.
The pictures are real, all too real.
Not long ago my local newspaper published my response to an editorial on the subject of abortion. In the editorial the person compared unborn children to “puppies and kittens” that should be disposed of if they are unwanted. While I could have said a lot to this pathetic individual, I basically wrote that anyone that professes that their rights include taking the life of an innocent human being should thank God that their mothers did not have the same opinion, because if that was the case they would not even be here ! The very women that so vehemently declare their “rights” to kill were given their “rights” to live by their mothers.
Amen Mama!
Abortion should be woman’s right. Every woman’s life is different and i respect a woman who chooses to keep her child, but i also respect a woman that chooses to end her pregnancy. Having a child is not just pushing a baby out of a vagina, a life is brought into the world that depends completely on it’s guardians. Sometimes a woman simply cannot care for a child at the time she becomes pregnant. My older sisiter became pregnant at 16. She had an abortion and has never regretted her decision because if she had had that child she knows there would have been no way she could have cared for it. At the time she was homeless, in high school, and my parents would in no way support her, not would her boyfriend.In her situation it was better she not bring a child into this world that should could not care for properly. Every woman’t situation is different and this should be observed when stating if abortion should be woman’s right or not.
The one option people still refuse to llok at is not having sex. If your sister was in this dire situation in reagrd to her living situation and lack of family support why was she out having sex. We as women have got to learn to make better decisions. Abortion is the symptom not the disease. If a women is not prepare for the consequences of having sex then she should not be having sex.
I AM 28 I TWO BABIES IN HIGH SCHOOL.I WAS WOMEN ENOUGH TO LAY DOWN AND HAVE SEX THEN I WAS WOMEN ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.I LIVE IN THE HOOD WHERE YOUNG BLACK WOMEN HAVE 8 AND 9 ABORTIONS ITS JUST SAD.I EVEN NO OF SOMEONE WHO HAD 5 AND 1 PARTIAL.WHEN DO WE TAKE CARE OF OUR BODIES.WE KNOW HOW TO GET PREGNAT AND HOW TO PREVENT OT WAKE UP BLACK WOMEN.
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